* added code for showDouble() to only display when controller support DT * removed enableSpec and other Virtual Container Code as this is not supported in Hubitat *2/12/18 * Updated to new detailsMap and modified Button Config/Preview pages * hides secondary values if primary not set. The SUC maintains the list of available Node IDs. What did you do on the Z-Stick side to add it? The only time the cloud is involved is if the device you are controlling requires use of a cloud service for communications. If you’re still having issues connecting, then the device may be out of range and you may need a hand-held secondary controller (remote) to perform inclusion. I'm a couple rooms away so I'm guessing that's the issue but thought I would ask here before digging out a laptop tonight. I have tried a reset on the Z-stick multiple times. Secondary controller? Removing it by using exclude on the Z-wave page has never left a ghost device. It only loads devices paired to the primary controller when it is first paired to Hubitat. This is a great non-partisan overview of the Hubitat basics. If you are a novice in the world of Z Wave Controller/Hub, don’t worry, the manufacturers include a list of tutorial videos and online documents that are helpful. As there's no Cloud infrastructure to offset some of the features and functionality, hardware becomes more of an important consideration. What am I actually looking at here? If your ZEN27 continues to … It seems like I should set HE to Include Mode and then ask the PC Controller software to go into Learn Mode. Cheers, Mattias Not perfect, but has gotten much much better. They don’t do the primary/secondary controller thing with other controllers. I cannot get my hub to see the secondary controller. It gets a new copy of the primary's DB. It depends on the software. I'd like to hit the red remove device on Hubitat and hit some button on the PC Controller and have it leave cleanly just like any other device where I click some button one or three times. If you use a Secondary to Exclude a device (to remove a ghost) then the secondary must work with the SUC to clear that node number. I see it loaded up a whack of z-wave devices on the Zentools, with very generic names. Then I simply count how many devices are between 0 and 1F. I’ve just ordered a Hubitat after agonising between it and Vera. Helpful that hubitat also supports zigbee and wifi devices. At this point, the 2nd controller has left the network but I still end up having to hit that Force Remove, which makes me nervous since I imagine the 2nd controller is left as a ghost device on the Hubitat Hub. Do I use the lightning button Learn Mode, or the NWI button in the top row? When it comes to doing the firmware updates, do I just go ahead and update the firmware via the Zentools, or do I have to do anything on the Hubitat first? Unlike SmartThings, there's no mobile app for the Hubitat Elevation. I always try to remove Z-Wave devices cleanly by clicking the remove button on the device's page and then removing the device using a software or hardware button on the device. Adding a secondary controller is a non-trivial exercise and is not well supported by any of the home automation platforms I’ve tried. November 8, 2018, 2:07pm #4. So I have been trying for months now to do this. Yes. However, the next one distance-wise is the living room and it will not exclude from hubitat and neither will the two that are 2 feet away from that one. Plugged-in nodes are also signal repeaters with the ability to repeat the signal to other nodes. It really doesn't matter which is which as the main difference is the primary is the one that does the inclusions where the secondary just get that information from the primary. Removing it by using exclude on the Z-wave page has never left a ghost device. It failed because of timeout the first couple times. This has never worked on secondary controllers. Does the secondary controller have to be within direct range of the HE hub? All Secondary Controllers, that I know of and please inform me if I am wrong here, do not contain the programming (for Zipato users, Rules) of a network. Did you initiate an Inclusion in Hubitat first, or the Z-stick stuff then Hubitat Inclusion? The Homeseer firmware software only seemed to look for devices on higher node numbers then the attached controller. I was able to register, connect to the cloud, and download drivers for the only device I was trying to set up: konnected.io Otherwise, I didn't set up anything on the hub. JDRoberts. Introducing The New Hubitat Elevation ®. I planned to work around that issue by adding StaplesConnect as a secondary controller for SmartThings and it worked pretty well, but only for Z-Wave devices. Regardless of vendor, all AC mains powered nodes within the network will act as repeaters to increase reliability of the network. Thats odd I have no trouble including and excluding with "classic learn mode".. just tried it. All communications between the Crestron processor and the Hubitat takes place locally on the Lan. However, it came up as "Device". I used SmartThings for the last two years, I changed to Hubitat recently and love it. I’ve been successful updating two switches so far. Hi there, I was setting up my C-7 hub this morning. The other was the fact that you can customise it deeper than you can with ST. ST can be customised a lot, especially when you use the developer IDE, but Hubitat … With the Zooz I just added as a secondary controller, can I run firmware updates from it while it's in the network as a secondary controller? I expect that means a few hours jumping back and forth applying the correct names to things! ), Thanks for that. Like you, I did multiple USB stick resets, security S0/S2 on/off, etc, the day before when I failed but I didn't do anything special yesterday when it worked. Not sure how you're removing but I go to the z-wave settings and just use the exclude devices and let it remove the device from there. Todd. I'll have to play with this...something to do today right. So everytime I add or remove a Hubitat z-wave device, I have to unpair and re-pair ZWT. I am glad you posted this. It only loads devices paired to the primary controller when it is first paired to Hubitat. Humm, I can see where that will be very useful. These days, Z-Net is about $150 on Amazon. I just got an Aeotec Z-Wave Stick Gen 5 and I have loaded up Zentools and I have gotten the stick included. The value of the secondary is to find and kill devices that don't exist. Do I use the Classic/NWI/NWE dropdown next to the Learn Mode button? Ver 5.38, On the PC Controller Select Learn Mode, NWI. After reviewing the mismatches if I need to remove some from the Stick, I do that process. The SUC maintains the list of available Node IDs. These controllers allow you to build a mini Z-Wave network within a room or an apartment. Furthermore, the Hubitat Elevation does not require a constant internet connection. edit: this was a response to an older post.. since it's working for me no worries but was wondering why use NWI? If the switch is not responding to any Z-Wave commands despite being paired with Hubitat, then you may need to check out these connectivity trouble shoots. The Hubitat is no where near that easy, but I am impressed with the power packed into that little box. It does not need to be in range of the hub as far as I know, I was 2 rooms away. Working on migrating from one to the other? I put hubitat into include and then was able to add my Z-stick as a secondary controller. Mine says either Network Role: RealPrimary or SUC, RealPrimary, SIS, NodeIdServerPresent if I use the "Set SIS" button. I prefer the method to included the Z-Stick into Hubitat as a secondary controller and then walk around with a laptop near to each switch and flash via the stick… harjms July 22, 2020, 3:42pm #3 Hubitat Elevation ® is a Z-Wave Plus™ central static controller which may be included in any Z-Wave™ network to operate Z-Wave certified devices from other manufacturers in your home. If your Motion Sensor is located in a location far away from the hub, it may need a Z-Wave signal repeater (any non-battery powered Z-Wave device) added between it and your Hubitat hub to establish a connection. But secondary controller, a brand new z-net, has essentially recovered everything for me, without any need to optimize. Just take a node, go to z-wave tab, and choose secondary controller. I’d also add that the tech specs on their website is definitely a bit light on details, but spending 30 mins reading a few review sites can fill in most of what is needed to be known. I have searched the internet all over and I still cannot find clear instructions anywhere what to really do. What should I do to cleanly remove a secondary controller? If you have a Z-Wave network and it already has a controller, then you can add in a second controller if wish. Nodes can either be other controllers or end devices. I can force remove on Hubitat and Reset on PC controller but I'm afraid the PC controller will be left as a ghost node at that point. These repeaters constitute the backbone of … Hubitat is changing how people live with smart devices by enabling them to Elevate Their Environment.. By combining the advantages of local automation processing with cloud IoT connectivity, Hubitat's innovative Hubitat Elevation hub ensures personal data privacy and is more reliable and responsive than competitive cloud-based solutions. I have tried this on the official Z-Wave PC Controller using the official Z-Wave USB stick, and a ZWaveToolbox standalone box, and now the Z-Way+ZWaveME USB stick. Need more information. Since the Hubitat Elevation Controller is designed with local processing in mind, it needs to be based on a hardware platform that can run even the largest of Smart Home. Want to add any of these as a secondary controller to your gateway hub? Does that remove nodes that you have removed on HE? The disadvantage is that you will have 2 separate Z-wave networks. I'd like to add one as a secondary controller but I failed to do so last night and I'm looking for tips. LOL! I needed to use the "Select Learn Mode" and the "Network Wide Include" learn. I am not sure if I should do that? I'm using the "Z-Wave - PC controller" from Silicon Labs Z-Wave SDK on a Win10 box but I've never paired it as a secondary controller. On the plus side, there are several points. How were you able to add the Z-stick? If you also have a Z-stick or hand-held secondary controller, you can use it to then add the ZEN27 to the hub. I was thinking it was the routing database that got screwed up. When dispayed they are now "required". When added to the FIBARO System, the Minimote can work as a scene controller. Control all lights or smart plugs from one device or schedule scenes to save money and increase security in your home. If I find a mismatch, I explore why. In a normal Z-Wave environment both systems would be using the same network ID with one would be the primary controller and the other a secondary controller. Lastly, if your Power Switch is connected to your hub, but not responding to Z-Wave commands, then you’ll need to look at these connectivity troubleshoots to resolve the issue. This topic is about how to add a Aeon Labs Z-Stick as a second controller to this existing network. However there is no handshake or any activity on either side looking at logs. The benefit of a Secondary Controller in a Z-wave network is that if the Primary Controller goes offline, all the Z-wave modules can still communicate to one another via the Secondary Controller. It doesn't matter when adding regular devices, but I'm not sure if I refreshed the HE Hub or PC-Controller first the time when it actually worked. Is this a bug? I have to say, I started off with the Wink Hub 2 and it was EASY to use. Both HE and the PC-Controller were timing out. While Hubitat is in exclusion mode, perform the device-specific exclusion confirmation (e.g., a physical button press). I dont have the z-stick handy right now. Hi, I’m in the process of updating the firmware for the LZW31-SN via the exclude, include to z-wave stick, then include back to hubitat. I did this last week to do some firmware updates. It can trigger scenes using Scene Activation command with scene ID’s assigned to buttons. Resideo’s Tuxedo Touch® Controller is an innovative 7" color touchscreen keypad with smart control that helps dealers increase system add-on revenue, drive additional RMR and reduce attrition. Provides and certain feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction when you figure something out; that's for sure! ... Hubitat, z-wave plus, and better device suppliers, seems to have improved the situation. All of them join perfectly, and gain control of the full Z-Wave network. If you use a Secondary to Exclude a device (to remove a ghost) then the secondary must work with the SUC to clear that node number. Firstly you going to need the Zensys tool to set up the z-stick in to learn mode to become a secondary controller. Voila! This is because Hubitat's ZWave radio is primary and is the SUC. Choose from simple small accessories to control basic Z-Wave devices such as light switches or smart plugs to the more advanced scene controllers for automated control. The Aeon stick was directly connnected to another HS3 as a primary but seen from GPIO Z-Wave plus card / HS3 as a secondary and controls all of the devices seen. Hubitat’s local operation was one factor for the change. What I do is open the ZWave Details page and look at the list of Node IDs on the Left. I believe it was click the lightning bolt. The Aeon Labs Minimote is a handheld remote control, it can be added to an existing Z-Wave network as a secondary controller or used as a standalone Z-Wave controller. What driver should I be using for this, and how do I ensure that it is a secondary controller. Same is true for Include BUT, all that gets updated is the ZWave Radio in Hubitat, NOTHING gets inserted into Hubitat's DB... in other words, it's a great way to create Ghosts. However, the next time the primary controller includes or excludes a network device, the routing tables of all secondary controllers becomes invalid. So yeah. Zooz method worked fine using a Zstick added as secondary controller, I don't recall changing anything in the software. Thought I was losing my mind. To add to @jeubanks comment - I use ZWT as a secondary controller. This works most of the time on physical devices. It took almost a minute to transfer over all the data so I was probably impatient yesterday. Cheers. GoControl gives you smart home affordability, ease-of-use and compatibility with today’s most popular automation controllers and products, making GoControl the smartest solution available today. I don't go to the device page and try to remove the secondary controller. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, C7 Stops running automations and will not work zWave devices, Secondary Controller using Z-Wave - PC controller. I hadn't even noticed it before you mentioned it. To be clear, I've only used ZWT with HE (should have specified that earlier - sorry). All processing then takes place locally on the Hubitat hub. Z-Wave works on the basic principle that there is a single controller that can ultimately talk to up to 232 “nodes”. There are several community members using both, and hubitat has some code which allows you to set up proxy switches to make that easier. There's a specific button for that.. "Update". This is because Hubitat's ZWave radio is primary and is the SUC. All of them leave cleanly on their end, returning back to their original state. I never got the update button to work. You can control devices via PC Controller (or Zensys tools. You may also add any of these as a secondary controller to your hub - … I have tried literally every button or mode in the Z-wave software 100 times without success. I'm not tracking what it all means. It appeared to go without an issue. Q: Fibaro hc2 has the option to add the second controller - can Homey be the second controller? Eventually I get to the end and know if the ZWave radio memory within Hubitat (which got copied to the Z-Stick) matches the internal DB. They need to match. Remember, Includes and Excludes are coordinated between the primary and secondary controllers. Remember, Includes and Excludes are coordinated between the primary and secondary controllers. Am I missing something? I tried about three times yesterday before it worked. In other threads I've been told that devices to receive firmware updates needed to be removed from HE first, then added to another stick (Zooz) and then removed/added back to HE. I have been trying for literally months and I cannot get it to add. There's nothing INSIDE Hubitat that you can do with that Z-Stick. * *2/12/18 One controller is directly connected serially to my OmniPro 2 and the OP2 can control all of the same devices as HS3 can. I am likely doing something wrong, but I don't know what. Thanks for the insights! I am very satisfied that I finally made the jump to SmartThings, but like most people in my boat, I am missing the Lutron support. I am still unclear what to do even after this screen shot. Then I look at the same list in PC Controller. Did you change any settings in the PC Controller software, or did you leave everything at default? For $100, you can buy a new hub called Hubitat. To add to @jeubanks comment - I use ZWT as a secondary controller. How many between 20 and 3F.. etc. Both HS and Hubitat, with minimal efforts, talk Mqtt; and so, the solution is straight-forward. I would link the boxes but Hubitat only has a link for other Hubitats. So everytime I add or remove a Hubitat z-wave device, I have to unpair and re-pair ZWT. If you have one, you can also then use a Z-stick or a hand-held secondary controller to connect the ZSE18 to Hubitat. Several hours later I had set up konnected and wanted to link it up. Contact us for compatibility. I kept activating the "NWI Learn" on the PC-Controller and "Include Device" on the HE Z-Wave page when they expired. Nothing on Youtube or anywhere. Instead, you have to use the Dashboard Manager to create a web app from which you can control … I have a ton of devices and I really don't want to start again, as I am sure you can imagine. Static Update Controller (SUC) and SUC ID Server (SIS) If there is one primary controller in the network, it will provide its routing table, to every secondary controller included in the network. I used Staples Connect for a couple of years until I got fed up with the lack of support. Got my toys back alongside HE. All of the setups have the Hubitat left in a state where the controller is gone but where it's asking me if I want to Force Remove. You can also try to add the Power Switch to Hubitat using a secondary hand-held controller, like a Z-stick, if you have one. Maybe someday Hubitat will treat the ZWave Radio's DB as some sort of 'truth' and reflect ghosts into the internal DB and GUI. Really wanted it to map out the z-wave network to see where i might have some holes and also to do OTA updates. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Removing secondary Z-Wave controller not working properly. A: I am sorry to say no - the HC2 only allows another HC2 or HCL as a gateway connection - as far as adding a secondary controller to HC (or HC to another controller such as Homey) - Never had much luck with this and generally is a real mess. 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